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Poster: TheGreat_and_Knowledgable Date: Nov 16, 2006 3:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Getting others into the Dead

Recently ive been attempting to get a few of my friends into the Dead. I think the Dead have some of the most accessible tunes that anyone can enjoy if they listen with open ears. Songs like ripple, UJB, and maybe St. Stephen i chose to introduce my friend. I guess the power of the music didnt click for him because he said he didnt like it at all. I told him he will never like music he listens to with an attitude of it sucks already. Are some people just not able to understand and appreciate good music???

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 16, 2006 4:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

Ripple-UJB?? try a mindmelding Darkstar or PITB, worked for me

This post was modified by cosmicharlie on 2006-11-17 00:29:15

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Poster: deadmax Date: Nov 16, 2006 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

Hey GAK.

It is difficult when you find something as beautiful and profane as the Dead and you want to share it with others when they just don't even want to "get it". I agree with PG about music being subjective, just less vehemently.

The great thing about the Dead though is when you get it you're in a club of very open-minded people who are more or less nice if not a bit "cranky".

Before the mid to late 80s we pretty much had the Dead to ourselves at concerts and most people labled us as Freaks, which was ok 'cause they were a$$holes ;-)

But then the Dead had a minor hit with Touch of Grey and EVERYONE started coming to the concerts but they brought all there nasty concert habits that were unheard of at Dead shows. From there "the scene" pretty much went downhill, slowly at first but then it picked up steam. It was still a pretty good crowd but the Touch Heads just didn't get it.

Anyone else want to help our young lad with history to bring him up to date?

So you see, GAK, you can lead someone to music but you can't make them listen.

BTW PG...I can't listen to Opera either but I know it's good music because the dead (and a few little friends) helped to open my ears.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 16, 2006 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

Speaking of touch heads, but does anyone recall a lettr that Hunter sent out with mail order tix where he spoke of the changes that were happening with cigar smoke back filled rooms and other less than savory changes that were happening and drawing in heavies due to the big money to made off the circus? It was bascially a call to arms for deadheads to protect the "scene" and take care of each other or it would implode. I know I didn't hallucinate it - and definitely recall reading the same outside of MSG in the 80s - but for the life of me can't find a copy. Anwyay, Hunter clearly saw the changes coming.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Nov 16, 2006 5:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

Yeah Blue Devil I remember that. We received them 85 before the Frost Shows. It said exactly what you said. It talked a lot about cleaning up after ourselves, no gate-crashing and such.



I don't think it worked.

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Poster: JodyC Date: Nov 16, 2006 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

Not to sound old fashioned, but there may be a mood thing. Spark a fatty, buy some of his favorite beer/scotch, loosen the mind up a little. Not that I condone fattiness...I 'm not saying you have to be stoned or drunk, but a little buzz might help open the ears a little. And if your friends still don't like, well you can always turn on the Stooges, or some Marley, and so on.

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Poster: AcidBassRxn Date: Nov 17, 2006 5:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

good topic! the best way to introduce someone to the music of the grateful dead is through peer pressure...let them see how cool you are...I like to get my long hippy hair wet and just shake it while dancing...it's irresistable...the coup de grace is to spring your black light skull and roses poster on them unexpectedly...like at a business meeting, in lieu of your powerpoint presentation...

trust me on these things

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 17, 2006 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

What do you mean "in lieu of a PowerPoint presentation"? This is slide one of my very successful sales pitch during stage one of the "Great Conversion". Although I did have to lighten up on the graphs and charts.

Attachment: lehighvet88-Dead or No Dead.jpg.ppt

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Nov 17, 2006 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

I have many friends with whom I share musical affinity but they just can't get into the Dead at all, partially from the hippie thing and partially because their aaesthetic just won't admit the musical style.

I gave up on trying to turn people onto the boys around 1989. In fact if someone takes the time to dis the band to me at length I just look at them. I used to say "You don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about." but now I've got it down to a look.

The best way to turn someone on to the Dead is to tie them up, dose the, ping their eyelids open al la Clockwork orange and have them watch video of Donna sing "You Ain't Woman Enough" over and over again.

Or so I've heard.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 17, 2006 7:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

Um, I think the idea is to "turn" them, not "kill" them. Sounds more like Marathon Man:
"Tell me, is it safe?"

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Nov 17, 2006 7:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

All I know is that it worked at Gitmo.

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Poster: RiverRat1492 Date: Nov 18, 2006 4:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

This is a fun topic which I think has kind of been touched on before. I have been trying to convert some friends/family with some of the soft stuff. Burned a couple CDs for one, kept the song length on most under ten minutes or so, while including some selections that had some sweet jams (not all that easy when you're favorites start at that length.) Threw in some that would stick with you, ones that a new listener might be singing to themselves after they, say, leave their car. Plus, what woman wouldn't want to hear "Man Smart/Women Smarter," or stuff like that.
Breaking out a JGB selection to start the process has proven somewhat successful until the CD changes and there's like a 20+ min. Dark Star, talk about blowing the whole deal.
Also, anyone have an old head who "left the tribe," hear the GD tunes in the background, go over and turn it up? Sometimes you've got to just listen to the music play.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 17, 2006 5:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

you can't,the grateful dead finds you,you don't find the dead.

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Poster: henrymcgermany Date: Nov 16, 2006 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

It was june in 1971,when I heard G.D. for the first time,at the age of 18.I`ve put the record aside,because I felt I was
not ready for it yet. In the late 70`s,while I was travelling
the U.S.,I happened to join my first outdoor-concert in Texas,
where I became a "Fan".This was a sort "master-burning" in my
brain.So many things have happened since then,but I know :the
world is not yet ready for them.

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Poster: ksantilli Date: Nov 16, 2006 5:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

Man- I kinda feel your pain. I sometimes feel that if people would just listen, they would HAVE to like it, because as you know the jams are just that good. I am lucky enough to be able to subject my co-workers to hours of killer jams, but alas some of them don't warm up to it. Well actually none of them, so I come visit my friends here at the Forum, belong to a group and move on with life. There's not much more I can do except to continue enjoying my tunes at work and maybe someday I will be able to blow somebody's mind with Jerry's killer jams.

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Poster: TheGreat_and_Knowledgable Date: Nov 16, 2006 5:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

hmm ill try the fatty, i wont give up. lol, anyways Dark Star and PITB are great dead songs, but not for starters, those spacey jams are far from accessible, hell i even remember when i didnt like dark star because it was too long and spacey, now i love it and appreciate it

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 16, 2006 5:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

Welcome to life of a head. Pretty much get used to enjoying this fountain of energy and realize that it's invisible to most.

You're lucky to have a good view of this parallel universe. Many can see it from where they reside, but relatively few actually live here. And others just come and go....

Find YOUR place. Give your friend a road map(tapes) and tell him you'll see him there...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 16, 2006 6:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

Hey High--very nice post...just had to say of them all (in this thread), yours is an especially great read.

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Poster: JodyC Date: Nov 16, 2006 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

You may actually consider the studio stuff first- Working Mans, Mars, Terrapin.and the fatty, not that I condone it.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 16, 2006 6:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

In my opinion, getting someone to "like" the Dead the way most of us here do is to just let it happen on its own. Instead of saying "Hey, sit in this chair and listen to this, you will love it", I feel the best way is to just have some excellent examples playing in the background whenever possible as you engage in some other activity. Eventually, if it is meant to happen, they will say "Hey, turn that up. Is that the Dead? Wow, I never knew. Can you burn me a copy?".
The Dead is something that cannot be forced on someone; as they say "what is meant to be will be". Let the music find them on its own, the true power of the Dead is like a painting, appreciating it cannot be forced or learned, it comes from your gut. If they have an inner Head who is just waiting to get out, let the music do the talking and see what happens. This is just what happened to me years ago. I had never really considered the Dead, but was in love with music of all different types. Then one day, while sitting in a friend's room partaking of some fine herbal substitutes, he had put on a bootleg without announcing anything. As the session wore on, I found myself paying more and more attention to what magical force was coming from the speakers. By the end of the tape, I had to have it and was soon getting every show I could put my hands on; then I saw them live and never turned back. So, my advice is to just let the music find them. Make it available whenever possible and let the music work its magic.

This post was modified by lehighvet88 on 2006-11-17 02:31:53

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Poster: TheGreat_and_Knowledgable Date: Nov 16, 2006 6:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

lehigh i agree with you, im gonna just play dead all the time, one time there might be a moment when the person likes it. The dead, like a lot of music takes time to grown on you.

BTW my name is a reference to Phish, The Great and Knowledgable Icculus. (One of Trey's crazy characters and ideas of gamehendge)

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 16, 2006 9:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

I agree with you. There is no way you're gonna sit someone down and make them listen to Tennessee jed and they'll suddenly convert. Not gonna happen. When I was in high school the band was in a resurgence and while the crowds were bigger for the stadium shows, my inner circle of friends just laughed at it. garcia's example has always stuck with me. "Not many people like black licorice, but those that do REALLY like it"

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Nov 16, 2006 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

"Are some people just not able to understand and appreciate good music???"

Give your friend a break!!!

Just because someone does not share your tastes does not mean that they do not appreciate good music. I think it is a little arrogant and elitist to think that just because someone doesn't agree with your tastes they must have bad taste. Just because I don't understand or appreciate Opera, for instance, does not mean I don't like good music. Musical taste is very subjective and one person's awesome music is another's cacophony of noise.

As for the Dead, they are, often, an acquired taste and they are pretty much out of the mainstream of modern music. It would be nice to think that the only reason they are not more popular is because people haven't heard them, and if we could only turn them on to it they would come around. My experience is that most people just don't like the music, and that's ok.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2006-11-16 23:52:43

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Nov 16, 2006 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Getting others into the Dead

TheGreat_and_Knowledgable: ..now that is a unique name. Is that an "alias" or the Truth? Where did you come up with it?

As for getting others into the Dead: the only guy's I hung out with are into the Grateful Dead - it is one of the things that brought us together.

As for women: none were into the Grateful Dead so I tricked them by using Jerry Band tapes/cd's. It worked until I brought them to their first show - the look of horror on their faces as we approached the concert and they saw the Deadheads --- well, I am definitely going to Hell in a Basket. --- AsheRising